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Internet Explorer 8 promises to let people surf without leaving a trace.

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The next version of Microsoft Corp.'s Web browser makes it easier for people to surf the Internet without leaving a trace.

Companies that sell advertisements online -- including Microsoft -- can electronically gather tidbits about Web surfers' habits, and then use that information to help decide what kinds of ads to show.

However, in the newest "beta" test version of Microsoft's forthcoming Internet Explorer 8, which was made available Wednesday, a mode called InPrivateBrowsing lets users surf without having a list of sites they visit get stored on their computers.

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{"commentId":2620288,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

I guess I don't care if people log my surfing habits, though I'd prefer they didn't. My biggest concern while surfing is IP logging. The last thing I need is some hacker scanning my ports, finding a weakness and getting access to my financial information.

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Reply#1 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:49 AM EDT
{"commentId":2620855,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

Personally I'm more interested in a feature that allows me to flag websites as "no trace" meaning once I close the browser any trace of the site is removed from my local computer (except for a bookmark, should I choose to create one) while leaving other sites there.

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Reply#2 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:36 PM EDT
{"commentId":2621335,"authorDomain":"hircus"}

There is a Firefox add-on that does exactly this: Distrust. Unfortunately the Firefox 3 version has not been approved for download at the official add-ons site yet, but you can download it from the developer's site.

There's an interesting review of other privacy-related add-ons at Linux.com.

And of course, private browsing is already available in Safari, though it's not flawless.

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#2.1 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:11 PM EDT
{"commentId":2621485,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

Interesting, I may have to play with that. I presume that would keep things out of FF3's address bar.

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#2.2 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":2621987,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

@hircus: The safari link has nothing to do with Safari. To copypasta one of the comments from that article...

"I should probably point out that this is the DNS cache for the entire system that you're viewing/clearing - and thusly will contain a list of webservers with which communication has been established (or more acurately, DNS lookups have occurred against those servers) from *any* application in the system.

So, technically, if you use Firefox's 'Clear Private Data', you'll still need to flush the cache to remove any traces. The same would occur if you were to ping a server, check email, or perform just about any internet communication, really.

The purpose of the DNS cache, of course, is to prevent the system from constantly have to re-look up the IPs (and other DNS data) of servers which it has already requested of your DNS server - which has a significant latency in and of itself." - Christopher, March 15 2008

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#2.3 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 2:04 PM EDT
{"commentId":2623507,"authorDomain":"igmuska"}

@Torabu: You hit the nail on the head, and totally missing the paranoid thumb. Most people would not think of the DNS aspect as you just did. That feature is what is being offered in the IE8.
For example run to Doxpara Research to check to see if your ISP is vulnerable to redirecting and other malicious acts.

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#2.4 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
{"commentId":2625390,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}
So, technically, if you use Firefox's 'Clear Private Data', you'll still need to flush the cache to remove any traces.

You could just write a .cmd that executes every 20 mins:

ipconfig /flushdns
or however often you want to clear your DNS. I don't think the browser can prevent that from caching.

I like to use that every so often especially after I port scan the DOD and right before my computer automatically lowers into a vat of acid.

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#2.5 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 6:30 PM EDT
{"commentId":2626360,"authorDomain":"igmuska"}

@Andimia: Funny! Forgot about ipconfig /flushdns
At least you don't have to worry about having hovering helicopters zoom your house after I buy some Starbucks coffee where these Muslims sit around and drink coffee outside. Better yet, I quit posting in my blog the moment statcounter started picking up hits from Reston VA and several nuke plants!
Back to the story, MS should have did this years ago, now the ads served up are just annoying but I've learned to look beyond them anyways. They were probably designed to cause desensitization in Internet users for purposes of subliminal message injection.

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    #2.6 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:01 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2628013,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

    The fact that websites use my browsing history to determine what ads to show me is actually incredibly annoying to me. I work on the Harley-Davidson website and when I'm taking a moment to check some non-work sites all I see are Harley-Davidson advertisements. I CAN'T ESCAPE THE MADNESS!!!

    Sometimes I surf the internet behind two anon IPs just to be sure. I also unplug my router at night and routinely check behind my switch plates and outlet plates for old school bugs. I also try to do anything suspicious from one of the many open wireless networks that I have access to living in a city block full of idiots.

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    #2.7 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:14 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2629075,"authorDomain":"hircus"}

    @Torabu

    That's quite true; insofar as your exposure to snooping web sites is concerned, Safari is safe enough. Though considering Apple controls the entire operating system, they could potentially integrate their private mode to cover the DNS cache as well.

    To achieve plausible deniability, you might not actually want to flush the entire DNS cache -- being able to mark sites to blacklist using, say, your browser, and having those sites be selectively removed from your DNS cache would be nice. Then again, your privacy is only as strong as the weakest link in the chain -- your router, your modem, your ISP...

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      #2.8 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2629126,"authorDomain":"hircus"}

      @Andimia:

      You are perhaps aware that Bruce Schneier, the security expert, unapologetically runs an open wi-fi network?

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        #2.9 - Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2639827,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

        And? Just because Bruce Schneier does it doesn't stop people from (especially when you live within wireless range of 36 apartments) from hogging bandwidth (downloading torrents) or doing something illegal with your connection. Sure leave your connection open but do it at your own risk. Most people that do that still have their network named linksys and the password on their router (192.168.2.1) is admin. The average person doesn't know how to protect their computer from the risks of an open network.

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        #2.10 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:49 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2640549,"authorDomain":"fdbryant3"}

        Now that Comcast is putting a cap, I think more people will start securing their networks. I'd hate to go over because some one else is using my bandwidth.

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        #2.11 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
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        {"commentId":2641076,"authorDomain":"mightyblogger"}

        - - - - WARNING - - - -

        DO NOT INSTALL IE8 Beta unless you understand that it has no uninstaller and the only way to remove it is to completely reinstall Windows....

        Related Article

        Microsoft said that you will be able to install Internet Explorer 8 Beta2, but once installed, you will not be able to uninstall either IE8 or Windows XP SP3 later.
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        Reply#3 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
        {"commentId":2641131,"authorDomain":"Andimia"}

        haha, that's wacky.

        I'm sure I could find a way to cut it out of my system.

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          #3.1 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:28 PM EDT
          {"commentId":2684915,"authorDomain":"torabu"}

          Leave it to Microsoft to do something so stupid.

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            #3.2 - Mon Sep 1, 2008 6:37 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":2641551,"authorDomain":"JimmyJames75"}

            Microsoft, giving you the tools to help yourself & totally screwing you at the same time

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              Reply#4 - Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:41 PM EDT
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